26 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

But it's perfectly normal in December to get snow followed by rain.

One of my top analogs for this winter is 2013-14. We had a very similar snow event at this same date and a week later, it was 72 and raining.
It happens. We don't live in Central Canada or above 10,000 feet.

yeah if you are looking for snowpack 41 degrees north and sea level is not the latitude for you...lol

1 minute ago, Brian5671 said:

yeah if you are looking for snowpack 41 degrees north and sea level is not the latitude for you...lol

Neither is 42 degrees at 1300 feet lol

it snowed a weeks or a week before Christmas in 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020...only 2009's snowfall lasted to Christmas day before a Grinch storm...2002 had the Christmas afternoon snowfall...

To have snow on the ground then a heavy rain storm is actually good. Do you want buckling in the atmosphere do you want a Ridge than the trough a ridge than a trough. You don’t want to be bitter cold and show nothing for it.

2 minutes ago, uncle w said:

it snowed a weeks or a week before Christmas in 2002, 2003, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020...only 2009's snowfall lasted to Christmas day before a Grinch storm...2002 had the Christmas afternoon snowfall...

That's why NYC has a 15 percent chance of a White Christmas..it's REALLY hard.

4 minutes ago, Keith P.A said:

That's why NYC has a 15 percent chance of a White Christmas..it's REALLY hard.

yeah...hopefully some cold and snow comes back after a brief warm up...

Need the AO to go negative too.

Watch the trends with how this trough splits on the west coast. This is a complicated process, and the exact way this happens will determine what the exact sensible weather impacts will be for the holidays.

1 hour ago, VIRGAMAN said:

LOL yea I admit it was a stupid thing to say, then again it was like 4 am, sorry if I pissed off a lot of people 😓

Luv ya Joe. Lets get some more white gold Tuesday Night if we can.

7 minutes ago, SnowMiser123 said:

Watch the trends with how this trough splits on the west coast. This is a complicated process, and the exact way this happens will determine what the exact sensible weather impacts will be for the holidays.

EPO develops

XMAS COLD

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10 minutes ago, SnowMiser123 said:

Watch the trends with how this trough splits on the west coast. This is a complicated process, and the exact way this happens will determine what the exact sensible weather impacts will be for the holidays.

Link up the pna and epo and down comes the trough in p8

Just now, THE GREAT Ben Solo said:

Link up the pna and epo and down comes the trough in p8

The trough split gives us a fighting chance for a chilly Christmas with wintry threats nearby.

Snow squall, 11 degrees here. Feels like 0. Past the point where salt will do anything meaningful to treat roads.

12 minutes ago, SnowMiser123 said:

The trough split gives us a fighting chance for a chilly Christmas with wintry threats nearby.

Canadian sees it too

1 minute ago, THE GREAT Ben Solo said:

Canadian sees it too

Yep. That's what we will need to happen for Xmas to be chilly with possible wintry threats. Especially if we get a stronger -NAO to accompany that stretch.

1 minute ago, SnowMiser123 said:

Yep. That's what we will need to happen for Xmas to be chilly with possible wintry threats. Especially if we get a stronger -NAO to accompany that stretch.

Once that trough splits the top develops the pna retrogrades and down comes the trough

All the cutters after Xmas would be suspect