6 minutes ago, Snowlover76 said:

Whatever. Was just asking when the last decent Miller A was.

I really cant remember. Was 2016 a Miller A? Not sure if we had ones that rained here and delivered N and W though

3 minutes ago, FrankPizz said:

I really cant remember. Was 2016 a Miller A? Not sure if we had ones that rained here and delivered N and W though

2021?

2016 was a miller A. 2021 was a beast of a Miller B

2022 Jan 28-29th

24 minutes ago, Snowlover76 said:

Whatever. Was just asking when the last decent Miller A was.

Jan28-29th 2022. Last verified blizzard warning here 15”. Ray got 20”

Man id kill for the PDO to go at least neutral. Im convinced thats why the southern jet has mostly been dormant.

Just now, Snowlover76 said:

Man id kill for the PDO to go at least neutral. Im convinced thats why the southern jet has mostly been dormant.

Yeah it’s been rough of late. Just two winters at or above avg. thus far this decade. At least this year is on track to that thus far.

Winter is more fun with an active southern jet.

5 minutes ago, Graupel said:

Yeah it’s been rough of late. Just two winters at or above avg. thus far this decade. At least this year is on track to that thus far.

From 1970 to 2002, nyc only had 4 winters over 30".

14 minutes ago, Graupel said:

Yeah it’s been rough of late. Just two winters at or above avg. thus far this decade. At least this year is on track to that thus far.

Big risk with La Nina's is they are very torch prone in the last 3rd of winter. Really need a strong start with them in case that happens.

1 hour ago, Snowlover76 said:

When was the last decent Miller A? These endless trash La Nina's seemed to have killed them when they killed the southern jet.

Got this from ChatAI

Here is a clean, meteorology-based list of well-known Miller Type A storms that affected New York, especially those commonly cited in textbooks, NWS training material, and meteorologist discussions.
(There is no official NOAA “Miller A database,” so this list reflects storms with widely accepted Miller A structure.)

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🌨️ Confirmed / Widely Accepted Miller A Storms Affecting New York

1. March 12–14, 1993 – “Storm of the Century”

• Textbook Miller A

• Gulf Coast origin → single dominant coastal low

• Heavy snow statewide

• NYC: ~10–18″

• Upstate NY: 20–40″+

• One of the strongest extratropical cyclones on record

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2. February 11–12, 2006 – NYC Record Blizzard

• Classic Miller A track

• Coastal low formed in the Southeast and rode north

• NYC: 26.9″ (all-time February record)

• Heavy snow across Long Island, Hudson Valley, and upstate

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3. January 22–24, 2016 – Winter Storm Blizzard of 96

• Strong Miller A characteristics

• Origin near the Gulf → straight coastal track

• NYC: ~27–30″

• Coastal flooding + blizzard conditions

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4. December 26–27, 2010 – Christmas Blizzard

• Miller A–dominant system

• Rapidly deepened coastal low

• NYC: ~20″

• Severe wind + snowfall, especially NYC/Long Island

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5. February 6–7, 1978 – Blizzard of ’78

• Often classified as Miller A or hybrid A

• Major snow across NY

• NYC: ~17″

• Extreme coastal impacts

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6. February 4–6, 1961

• Classic Miller A nor’easter

• Significant snowfall across NY

• NYC: ~15–20″

• Strong coastal winds

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7. March 3–5, 1960

• Strong Miller A coastal storm

• Heavy snow across NY

• NYC: ~14″

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⚠️ Storms Often Confused with Miller A (But Are Usually Miller B)

These are NOT Miller A, despite being famous NYC snowstorms:

• ❌ Jan 6–8, 1996 Blizzard → Miller B

• ❌ March 13–14, 2017 (Pi Day Blizzard) → Miller B

• ❌ Feb 8–9, 2013 (Nemo) → Miller B

• ❌ Jan 26–27, 2015 (Juno) → Miller B

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🧠 Key Takeaway (Important)

True Miller A snowstorms are rare in New York, especially in modern times.
Most big NYC blizzards are Miller B, not A.

👉 The most recent widely accepted Miller A snowstorm in New York is January 2016 (Blizzard of 96).
👉 Before that: February 2006.

56 minutes ago, FrankPizz said:

From 1970 to 2002, nyc only had 4 winters over 30".

An aberration.

Most of those years were cold and dry, snow didn't suck because it was torchy.

If you change your cutoff to 25 inches you get a ton of winters in that stretch.

Don't do a 4 inch move lol

44 minutes ago, Hurricanelover2 said:

Got this from ChatAI

Here is a clean, meteorology-based list of well-known Miller Type A storms that affected New York, especially those commonly cited in textbooks, NWS training material, and meteorologist discussions.
(There is no official NOAA “Miller A database,” so this list reflects storms with widely accepted Miller A structure.)

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🌨️ Confirmed / Widely Accepted Miller A Storms Affecting New York

1. March 12–14, 1993 – “Storm of the Century”

• Textbook Miller A

• Gulf Coast origin → single dominant coastal low

• Heavy snow statewide

• NYC: ~10–18″

• Upstate NY: 20–40″+

• One of the strongest extratropical cyclones on record

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2. February 11–12, 2006 – NYC Record Blizzard

• Classic Miller A track

• Coastal low formed in the Southeast and rode north

• NYC: 26.9″ (all-time February record)

• Heavy snow across Long Island, Hudson Valley, and upstate

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3. January 22–24, 2016 – Winter Storm Blizzard of 96

• Strong Miller A characteristics

• Origin near the Gulf → straight coastal track

• NYC: ~27–30″

• Coastal flooding + blizzard conditions

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4. December 26–27, 2010 – Christmas Blizzard

• Miller A–dominant system

• Rapidly deepened coastal low

• NYC: ~20″

• Severe wind + snowfall, especially NYC/Long Island

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5. February 6–7, 1978 – Blizzard of ’78

• Often classified as Miller A or hybrid A

• Major snow across NY

• NYC: ~17″

• Extreme coastal impacts

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6. February 4–6, 1961

• Classic Miller A nor’easter

• Significant snowfall across NY

• NYC: ~15–20″

• Strong coastal winds

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7. March 3–5, 1960

• Strong Miller A coastal storm

• Heavy snow across NY

• NYC: ~14″

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⚠️ Storms Often Confused with Miller A (But Are Usually Miller B)

These are NOT Miller A, despite being famous NYC snowstorms:

• ❌ Jan 6–8, 1996 Blizzard → Miller B

• ❌ March 13–14, 2017 (Pi Day Blizzard) → Miller B

• ❌ Feb 8–9, 2013 (Nemo) → Miller B

• ❌ Jan 26–27, 2015 (Juno) → Miller B

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🧠 Key Takeaway (Important)

True Miller A snowstorms are rare in New York, especially in modern times.
Most big NYC blizzards are Miller B, not A.

👉 The most recent widely accepted Miller A snowstorm in New York is January 2016 (Blizzard of 96).
👉 Before that: February 2006.

We’ve had plenty of less famous storms that were purely Miller A of origin as well. Only the big beasts are memorable. Here is the Jan 27-30 2022 purely miller A ocean storm. The crush the immediate coast & LI

1 minute ago, Sundog said:

An aberration.

Most of those years were cold and dry, snow didn't suck because it was torchy.

If you change your cutoff to 25 inches you get a ton of winters in that stretch.

Don't do a 4 inch move lol

The point is, there were very few signifcantly above normal winters during that stretch.

I agree with you that most were close to normal. But the thought of having a blockbuster winter was almost dead during that stretch.

16 minutes ago, Sundog said:

An aberration.

Most of those years were cold and dry, snow didn't suck because it was torchy.

If you change your cutoff to 25 inches you get a ton of winters in that stretch.

Don't do a 4 inch move lol

Im just saying, they went 4 for 32 on above average. 25" is still like an inch or 2 below normal. Then from 2003 to now there have been lots of winters over 30"

10 minutes ago, FrankPizz said:

Im just saying, they went 4 for 32 on above average. 25" is still like an inch or 2 below normal. Then from 2003 to now there have been lots of winters over 30"

Indeed.

What has happened is we went from more dependable normal winters to a rollercoaster ride in the last 30 years.

Even though we recorded tons of blockbuster winters during that stretch, we had a bunch of mega duds.

Between 1869 and 1995, we had 6 winters in the single digits.

That's 126 years, so 6/126 = 4.7%

In the last 30 years, we've also had 6 winters in the single digits.

6/30 = 20%

I'm not liking the direction we're moving in!

Just now, Sundog said:

Indeed.

What has happened is we went from more dependable normal winters to a rollercoaster ride in the last 30 years.

Even though we recorded tons of blockbuster winters during that stretch, we had a bunch of mega duds.

Between 1869 and 1995, we had 6 winters in the single digits.

That's 126 years, so 6/126 = 4.7%

In the last 30 years, we've also had 6 winters in the single digits.

6/30 = 20%

I'm not liking the direction we're moving in!

Now do that for winters with more than 45".

Just now, Analog1888 said:

Now do that for winters with more than 45".

Or 50

2 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

Or 50

Yeah, equal amount

7 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

Now do that for winters with more than 45".

I'd rather go into winter knowing I'll probably see at least 20 inches than crossing my fingers hoping for a 45 inch winter when 90% of the time they're coming in between 10 and 15.

If those were the choices I was presented I'd go with the dependaable 20 to 25 every time.

Just now, Sundog said:

I'd rather go into winter knowing I'll probably see at least 20 inches than crossing my fingers hoping for a 45 inch winter when 90% of the time they're coming in between 10 and 15.

If those were the choices I was presented I'd go with the dependaable 20 to 25 every time.

Ok I can understand that.