3 minutes ago, uncle w said:

wouldn't it easier if you go to work or school to fit the season without changing the clock?...if we use permanent daylight savings time weather records will be from 1am to 1am all the time...is having one more hour of daylight in the winter worth it?...

It wouldn't technically be one more hour of daylight...

10 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Who cares. They'll have a sunset of 6PM in winter.

Who doesn't want that?

On January 3, the sun would rise at 8:56 AM here. That's a little late, isn't it?

1 minute ago, Analog1888 said:

On January 3, the sun would rise at 8:56 AM here. That's a little late, isn't it?

About the same as in Paris.

And they have less overall sunlight since they're farther north than you.

What do they do in Scandinavia? Or Iceland? Or Ireland?

In Iceland the sun comes up around 11:30AM lol stop complaining it could be much worse

in the winter of 73-74 they kept daylight savings time, and parents were complaining their kids were going to school in the dark...

4 minutes ago, Sundog said:

About the same as in Paris.

And they have less overall sunlight since they're farther north than you.

What do they do in Scandinavia? Or Iceland? Or Ireland?

In Iceland the sun comes up around 11:30AM lol stop complaining it could be much worse

What if we made the school day one hour later? There are already some proposals floating around to do that.

As you know, Americans drive a lot more than Europeans. There have been studies that show a lot more kids would get hit by cars if they're going to school in the dark.

5 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

What if we made the school day one hour later? There are already some proposals floating around to do that.

As you know, Americans drive a lot more than Europeans. There have been studies that show a lot more kids would get hit by cars if they're going to school in the dark.

I hate the cars argument. Are kids walking down long forested roads with no reflective clothing on with no street lights with no sidewalk while maniacs are careening down the roads?

I love to see the sun as early as possible all year round.

Little kids don't walk to school by themselves anymore anyway. Maybe in the 70s they did.

56 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Who cares. They'll have a sunset of 6PM in winter.

Who doesn't want that?

Id rather it come up early. My job depends on sunlight and starts at 6am.

10 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Little kids don't walk to school by themselves anymore anyway. Maybe in the 70s they did.

I see it all the time here in town.

5 minutes ago, Snowlover76 said:

Id rather it come up early. My job depends on sunlight and starts at 6am.

You can't please everybody

3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

You can't please everybody

Nope. Not really. Thats why I dont see this going anywhere TBH

56 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I hate the cars argument. Are kids walking down long forested roads with no reflective clothing on with no street lights with no sidewalk while maniacs are careening down the roads?

You have seen the way people drive in your area. I don't have to explain that. Kids also walk into the streets without a care in the world.

It's not a good combination.

38 minutes ago, Sundog said:

Little kids don't walk to school by themselves anymore anyway. Maybe in the 70s they did.

They do here. Not everyone lives in Queens.

46 minutes ago, Redo said:

I love to see the sun as early as possible all year round.

I would prefer later if I had to, but I prefer the way it is.

25 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

They do here. Not everyone lives in Queens.

How far are they walking? What age? Is it rural back roads or organized street grid?

8 minutes ago, Sundog said:

How far are they walking? What age? Is it rural back roads or organized street grid?

Anywhere, generally 1-2 miles, but usually mostly city streets.

1 hour ago, Sundog said:

Little kids don't walk to school by themselves anymore anyway. Maybe in the 70s they did.

I walked half a mile to my school when I was as young as 6 and I didn’t think anything of it, and that was normal. The abduction and murder of that kid in New York City in 1979 changed everything.

6 minutes ago, Analog1888 said:

Anywhere, generally 1-2 miles, but usually mostly city streets.

Walking 2 miles takes 45 minutes. I don't believe anyone is walking that lol

And on a street grid? How is this dangerous again?

Little Johnny is getting a ride from mom.